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icepick Fry


Joined: 03 October 2007 Location: United States Posts: 89
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| Posted: 24 May 2012 at 11:15pm | IP Logged
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here's a little something i did for Jason Metcalf, art was by him, colors by yours truly Todd Rayner. enjoy!:)
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Brooparker Aspenite


Joined: 09 October 2004 Location: Brazil Posts: 190
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| Posted: 31 May 2012 at 7:51am | IP Logged
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I saw this and the ghost rider one... I like your volume rendering, but in both cases I see this one same little problem: fire!
actually, it's not the fire itself, but how the scene interacts with it!
I'm assuming you're adding shadows and highlights with the dodge/burn tool. It's a handy tool, but be carefull!
We are talking about fire, a warm/hot light search. It glows essencially yellow/orange/red. The BURN tool, well, it pretty much says it all, adds this redish/brownish tone while darkening, it works fire with this kind of lightsource. But that's not the case if you're using the DODGE tool, since it adds a white/blue tone to the highlights and that's a COLD lightsource, the opposite concept of fire (you can safelly use this tool for moonlight reflections, for exemple, since it's a pale/cold lightsource).
In this pic, specially on the red areas of her costume and her hair, we see these COLD white highlights and it breaks the interaction of the these two presented elements (jean and the phoenix force).
On the ghost rider pic, the same happens with the fire in his head, his skull and his black leather jacket. My advice would be for you to google these materials and see how they behave on warm/cold lights.
Hope it helps! ^~
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icepick Fry


Joined: 03 October 2007 Location: United States Posts: 89
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| Posted: 31 May 2012 at 8:11am | IP Logged
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That's good insight unfortunately I didn't use the dodge or burn tool on either piece, and try to never use those tools when coloring as it is the wrong tool to use. I usually use the screen/multiply setting for the brush. I have found that using these settings helps to preserve the color as it lightens/darkens the color I am working with. I also use the color picker to select the colors I want to use as a shadow/highlight. As with both, this and the ghost rider pic. I wanted to give some sort of separation between the fire and the objects, also with both if they were to be colored with the fire acting like it would in real life you would loose most of the detail in both characters.
What I was going for was a look to help pull the characters off of the element so that they can be seen and the detail of them can be seen as well. I admit on this one I could of approached the fire a little better so that you can see Jean better. But with the ghost rider I wanted to have the fire as it's own object. If you watch either ghost rider films the fire is hot and for the most part a separate element and doesn't light up every little part of the character, if it did you would loose him completely. Very good insight though, and I'll take into consideration next time I do fire. Thank you for the crit.
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Joined: 27 January 2005 Location: United States Posts: 5854
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| Posted: 22 June 2012 at 4:44pm | IP Logged
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i like theres need more contrast from jean and the firebird, she a bit lost in the drawning.
you major want to adjust the color or the hue of the the flames.
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icepick Fry


Joined: 03 October 2007 Location: United States Posts: 89
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| Posted: 27 June 2012 at 6:00am | IP Logged
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i would love to adjust her a bit, but it's gone to print and for me that means it's done. thanks for the insight.
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